What Mercedes’ F1 2021 testing woe shares with its last major scare

18 mar. 2021
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After Mercedes struggled with a lack of rear stability during testing in Bahrain, many looked back to its difficult pre-season in 2019 and assumed it was another case of sandbagging. But are many myths and half-truths about how Mercedes seemed to be behind in testing in 2019 only to win the first eight races of the season and the reality is a far more fascinating story. We look back at what really happened and explain what lessons, if any, can be applied to 2021.
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  • The official definition of 'Sandbagging' is: The paying of youtube channels to perpetuate the myth that you are not sandbagging. 😁

    Peter Spencer-SmithPeter Spencer-SmithAcum 18 Zile
  • Mercedes: Other team are favourite Then HAM/BOT or BOT/HAM finish 20 seconds ahead of everyone

    Bagiroud 12Bagiroud 12Acum 18 Zile
  • TLDR: This isn't about Mercedes sandbagging during testing just to go on to dominate the season. This is about Mercedes not having a great testing weekend and then going on to dominate the season.

    edcodededcodedAcum 19 Zile
  • I wonder how this video will age. Not far to go.

    ayaxroayaxroAcum 19 Zile
  • Thank you for some clear-eyed analysis.

    Michael XMichael XAcum 20 Zile
  • I wonder how the Limited funding is effecting their development options? They probably have had to downsize their staff and contracting options ...

    Chris BraidChris BraidAcum 20 Zile
  • I have seen Mercedes do this most years act like they are having trouble's and first qualifying well there they are right at the front again.

    FPVtruckerFPVtruckerAcum 20 Zile
  • _Newey_ is the undisputed aero king. If _Honda_ actually "bring it", _Merc_ are getting dethroned.

    y1521t21b5y1521t21b5Acum 20 Zile
  • You completely forgot to mention anything about how much less cfd merc can do this year which will slow them down a fair bit during development

    HootMaRootHootMaRootAcum 20 Zile
  • I call bullshit lol there not new and will smash it

    Hank BurtonHank BurtonAcum 20 Zile
  • After data analysis , Mercedes faster 0.39 sec on the long run them Red Bull. So.... curb your enthusiasm ! Won't be a closer racing as peoples hope.

    mircea miclosmircea miclosAcum 21 o Zi
  • what a load of verbal diarrhea. when the flag drops the bullshit stops .

    Richard WallingerRichard WallingerAcum 21 o Zi
  • Well my thought is that I want to congratulate Lewis on his 8th won championship

    Momchil YankovMomchil YankovAcum 21 o Zi
  • Mercedes is going to be shocked and slaughtered giving the fans the races and season they had always wanted.

    crxdelsolsircrxdelsolsirAcum 21 o Zi
  • The only struggle mercedes have is that the sandbags are heavier in this year's car than others

    Cheese Steak Jimmy'sCheese Steak Jimmy'sAcum 21 o Zi
  • I hope RB have caught up and give us a good fight with the Mercs

    PauloPauloAcum 21 o Zi
  • Mercedes will struggle at the first race red bull will have a first place and 2nd place Mercedes have been caught with there pants down

    Yorkshire Man 66Yorkshire Man 66Acum 21 o Zi
  • I watch this video and it makes me think Ferrari’s upgrades to the rear of the car the upgraded power unit will make a large difference especially in the hands of the two raciest drivers in the field.

    Brad BradmanBrad BradmanAcum 21 o Zi
  • In 2019, the media was touting Ferrari as the best car through all the free practice sessions of the Australian Grand prix, even though the Merc was putting better lap times. I remember everyone gushing over how supple the Ferrari looked and how ragged the Merc looked through those practice sessions. Then on qualifying day, Merc is 0.7sec clear of Ferrari and everyone realizes that Merc was fast. I can't help but seeing a bit of deja vu here. Merc did not stop developing the 2020 car halfway through the season just to have a vacation, they focused on this year's car and I would find it very strange that they somehow messed it up. Although the nature of the regulations with the reduced floor area might favor Redbull and the other high rake cars. We shall see, but if it's a Merc 1-2 on Saturday, I won't be surprised at all.

    Clifford StclairClifford StclairAcum 21 o Zi
  • So basically, the point is there is a more than 90 percent chances that Mercedes would dominate 2021.

    Achmad FadilAchmad FadilAcum 21 o Zi
  • I want Mercedes to fail as 99% of other f1 viewers but that wont happen before FIA starts to actively working of ruining them like they did to Ferrari for season 2005.

    RollingEyes CroatRollingEyes CroatAcum 22 Zile
  • “Major scare” from the most dominant team in F1 history. Give me a break. It’ll be another shit season with average battles in the midfield to convince us that F1 is still good

    BelphegoreBelphegoreAcum 22 Zile
  • Wishful thinking lol can't believe people actually think red bull might be better. I want Sergio to win wdc but he is not in a car that can do it.

    Hugo StiglitzHugo StiglitzAcum 22 Zile
  • Nobody talks about the big change.Why? DAS is gone.....does anybody understand what a super(and unfair) weapon was this thing for Mercedes the past years?

    ayako studioayako studioAcum 22 Zile
  • Fool me once Mercedes shame on you fool me five times!!! Shame on me!!! 😭😭

    Hockey guyHockey guyAcum 22 Zile
  • I wish RBR puts an end to them. Tired of the merc era.

    Srini KrishSrini KrishAcum 22 Zile
  • James are talking about ducks with teeth when not giving out information about the floor for aerodynamic, he talked about ducks with teeth so he doesn’t want Red Bull and other teams to copy the floor to gain advantage.

    Matt HMatt HAcum 22 Zile
  • What it shares? Both events precede periods of absolute dominance

    Trueno AE86Trueno AE86Acum 22 Zile
  • *Rich people play the money game to win.* *Poor people play the money game to not lose.* *The goal of truly rich people is to have massive wealth and for many of them,* *it's to help a lot of people.*

    Susila thapaSusila thapaAcum 22 Zile
    • what the actual fuck. these AI's just get smarter everyday

      TerbyyTerbyyAcum 22 Zile
    • Her Gmail contact 👆👆👆

      Paterson DavisPaterson DavisAcum 22 Zile
    • Tunerpatricia

      Paterson DavisPaterson DavisAcum 22 Zile
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      Paterson DavisPaterson DavisAcum 22 Zile
    • ÷1 =3 - 0 2= 8 5 7= 0- 2 9= 8

      Paterson DavisPaterson DavisAcum 22 Zile
  • I believe what we saw in testing was true. Mercedes have a top 2 car that has a slightly unstable rear end. Maybe RB showed their hand a little more than Merc in the excitement or Merc just ran a little more fuel to disguise their performance a little. Overall, going into the first race it will be 50/50 between Merc and RB. A little further into the season, depends on their development curve I believe.

    Renee ReheRenee ReheAcum 22 Zile
  • Intro: "With Mercedes struggling for rear end stability..." Me: "...Giggity"

    Lost AloneLost AloneAcum 22 Zile
  • Bbbb jb',''

    Bill LittleBill LittleAcum 22 Zile
  • 2019 was nothing at all like what they just went through in 2021 testing. Mercedes did the most miles in that 2019 test even if Ferrari was fastest overall and Lewis wasn't spinning the car all over the place like he just did in 2021. They also had 8 days of testing to overcome the slow start and to bring updates to test in 2019 which isn't the case in 2021. I'm not suggesting they are going to be also rans but the comparison is not the same between 2019 and 2021.

    Craig SimpsonCraig SimpsonAcum 23 Zile
  • Lol still going on about Ferrari having the best car in pre-season testing 2019. This crew can't admit they absolutely messed up.

    Max GMax GAcum 23 Zile
  • Mecerdes was slower than Redbull?👀

    Kamogelo LefifiKamogelo LefifiAcum 23 Zile
  • I watched the footage, and the problem more looks like cold tires than anything else. Why they are cold, I couldn't tell you, but, if Mercedes keep them warm (which I might add is harder now), then they'll continue to dominate. If not, I still think we'll only have one team dominate, whoever that will be. That's just how current F1 works at the moment.

    Matt EvansMatt EvansAcum 23 Zile
  • I suspect sandbagging ... Mercedes is a team you never dismiss because they had a bad day at the office. They are relentless and ruthlessly efficient in making improvements on their weak spots. Red Bull should not become too confident from a test.

    Mohamed AbdinurMohamed AbdinurAcum 23 Zile
    • The question is will max be able to give title fight

      Mohit AnandMohit AnandAcum 22 Zile
  • ...and don't forget to make some video's to try and explain how we are going to fail in youtube too, so they believe us harder.

    Fisnik RamadaniFisnik RamadaniAcum 23 Zile
  • what can we do to get ESPN to get Edd behind the microphone instead of Hobbs? i get tired real fast of him explaining why the british teams and drivers aren't doing better.

    toolman thetimtoolman thetimAcum 23 Zile
  • I honestly think this year will be Redbull's year, I think Mercedes has problems even though they will be strong during the year!

    ItaloDiscoFreak77ItaloDiscoFreak77Acum 23 Zile
  • I think there is a thing I'm sussing for the reason that Red Bull was significantly dominating the testing and hiding the details in a car! There seems an issue to me but I won't tell now!

    Jayed AL SabitJayed AL SabitAcum 23 Zile
  • Oof he messed up on the title, woe instead of wont ( i think )

    Jiffy PineappleJiffy PineappleAcum 23 Zile
  • Stop mercedes I'm tired of seeing them win

    Sugandh SaxenaSugandh SaxenaAcum 23 Zile
  • Ahaha..love it , I think Merc could probably fix the issue of the 2021PU but, it all depends what they’re really dealing with.

    ANTONY FAMÀANTONY FAMÀAcum 23 Zile
  • In 2019 Ferrari cheated. That was why they looked so good in testing.

    Magnus Kogstad PlassenMagnus Kogstad PlassenAcum 23 Zile
  • These floor changes are being presented as benefiting the tyres, but they were specifically designed to reign in Merc so I don't think it's a given. Merc won't drop off like Ferrari but RB will be a lot closer for sure.

    V8HiluxV8HiluxAcum 23 Zile
  • Well its a part of attack on titan sometime a theory right some times not

    CreamCreamAcum 23 Zile
  • Please don't re-use songs, thanks!

    Tobias CransTobias CransAcum 23 Zile
  • Video way too long. You could have summarized the last two seasons in two minutes or less and should. Have. You start talking about this year at 7:40 at the earlest. Try harder to get some original content and thoughts to fill your whole video.

    Nick L-GNick L-GAcum 23 Zile
  • Bullshit as usual, it was sandbagging in 2019., it is sandbagging now... in 2020. they probably just couldn't resist taking what seems to be the most dominant machine (performance wise) ever (over the rest of the field) to it's limits in testing so they didn't sandbag that year

    Luka DžidićLuka DžidićAcum 23 Zile
  • Mel bin not Mel born

    Myles is WhiteMyles is WhiteAcum 23 Zile
  • Red Bull will kick Mercedes ass this year.

    Kartik KumarKartik KumarAcum 23 Zile
  • By race 3 there be up there again you would be a fool to count them out

    Aka DeadpoolAka DeadpoolAcum 23 Zile
  • What we learnt from testing is nothing. For maclaren to have no issues and am and Merc to have issues, tells me that in the thrrr days they are pushing harder. Sit back and watch the Merc and am show this season while rb and alpha tauri pack their bags for good.

    rotrohanrotrohanAcum 23 Zile
  • They are removing the sandbags as we speak

    Jon ThorJon ThorAcum 23 Zile
  • Already put some cash on Hamilton winning the race lmao. They ain't fooling me.

    RainmanRainmanAcum 23 Zile
  • Nice story but Mercs are winning WDC and WCC comfortably this year. I have even bet 50 quid on it. FIA are clueless & we have regulations for regulation sake (100kg fuel flow, 15000 max rpm etc). Red bull better look at 2019 and set their expectations correct within the team or they will get terribly disappointed next weekend, which they might never recover from.

    RudusRudusAcum 23 Zile
  • Its going to be a two horse season race again.....boreing

    HovermotionHovermotionAcum 23 Zile
  • I didn't watch the video, i just came to see what everyone else thought about the BS Mercedes is pushing this testing season :P

    Oz DylanOz DylanAcum 23 Zile
  • They always love sand bagging

    rich jacksonrich jacksonAcum 23 Zile
  • Just shut the f*ck up. 😒 Mercedes will be the benchmark in Melbourne. They are not struggling or anything. You can tell us how complicated it is and so, bla bla bla, the result will be the same like the last years.

    Hans WurstHans WurstAcum 23 Zile
  • Mercedes will finish 1-2 in the constructors championship as payback for all the people doubting them. They'll find a way....

    Brian TBrian TAcum 23 Zile
  • Your video is skipping frames on Mercedes' footage - looks like they're rendering at 25 FPS and you're rendering at 24. (Looks like it's just skipping that one per second.) I'm not a video editor myself so I don't know what kind of simple solutions the editing suites offer other than just rendering at 25, but I thought I should bring it to your attention

    HHAcum 23 Zile
  • golly that car used to look good*

    psychological warfarepsychological warfareAcum 23 Zile
  • There was literally zero reason to strip 10% downforce off the cars this year. The tyre reason is BS because the tyre manufacturer knows teams will regain the DF so why cut it in the beginning? Literally one of the dumbest decisions Ross Brawn and the governing body of F1 have made...... especially considering we have the cost cap this year.... way too make teams have to spend unnecessary cash 👍🤷‍♂️🤦‍♂️

    Ben GibbonsBen GibbonsAcum 23 Zile
    • As if they weren't going to spend money on developing their cars anyway... Bodywork was never frozen under the 2021 regulation extension.

      TassieLorenzoTassieLorenzoAcum 23 Zile
  • Worst case scenario they do have real issues and it will make for a more closer season. Merc are too good a team to not overcome their issues.

    Ben GibbonsBen GibbonsAcum 23 Zile
  • IBsandbagging

    tehsheiktehsheikAcum 23 Zile
  • Because of wind tunnel and CFD restrictions as well as the cost cap I still have hope for a RB vs Merc battle for the title going to the very end

    Soham MhatreSoham MhatreAcum 23 Zile
  • The first race will tell. It's not just 2019 that Mercedes were off the pace in testing, though 2019 is an example of the significant improvements that they can make in a short time frame. As Mercedes enter the season it is still their championship to lose.

    johny modemjohny modemAcum 23 Zile
  • Grasping at straws comes to mind hen watching this video... almost all is speculation and hope that the past ensures the future.. which it almost never does. I just hope that more than one team is actually competing for wins from the start of the season.

    TheHijglanderTheHijglanderAcum 23 Zile
  • I think amg will struggle this time with no das and shitty rear, it will be quite interesting this year

    Jeff BallsJeff BallsAcum 23 Zile
  • They’ll be ok man, it’s another Lewis championship

    Rutul TarambaleRutul TarambaleAcum 23 Zile
  • I am not a Red Bull fan. That said, I pray they beat Mercedes. Someone, anyone, other than merc and Hamilton please win the title. Gee-Zus......

    MarkoMarkoAcum 23 Zile
  • Even Ferrari couldn’t beat Mercedes with a illegal engine! Shows how good Mercedes are even within the rules!

    Sindhu SojanSindhu SojanAcum 23 Zile
  • These channels really reach for content

    Will James ClasWill James ClasAcum 23 Zile
  • Rumor around the water cooler is that the pace and medical cars will be Aston Martins this year... Daimler laying thousands of workers off... I guess the money does have something to do with success in F1.

    irieman442irieman442Acum 23 Zile
  • we will know this weekend

    Spiral XSpiral XAcum 23 Zile
  • Their ducks with teeth conversation has me certain they'll get pole by 3 seconds and get a "hard fought" P1-P2 for 21 to 26 of the 23 confirmed races. Either that or Haas will win the constructors and driver's championship in 2021 is confirmed.

    andrewnduatiandrewnduatiAcum 23 Zile
    • If anything Mercedes' sandbagging technique this season (and I sort of hope I'm wrong) is on par with the unnecessary amount of AMG badges on the W12, or worryingly for everyone else, on par with number of three pointed stars that were on the W11. I think this will be a year similar to 2017 or 2018 at the worst - where Mercedes may have had the second or third best car at race 1, but by race 6 they'll be miles ahead of everyone else, and Lewis will prove once again he is the best driver of all time statistically, objectively and imo subjectively. Instead of fighting a surprisingly strong Ferrari it'll be a Red Bull instead, and that Honda PU will have some crucial, but pivotal late races failures at the start of the season and one devastating failure at the end of the season á la Checo's Racing Point failure in Bahrain when he was on for P3 with less than five laps to go.

      andrewnduatiandrewnduatiAcum 23 Zile
  • With any luck, we get something like 2009, and Red Bull pulls out a big early lead before Mercedes (inevitably) gets their package perfected after a few races and begins blowing everyone else away. But if the Merc is struggling to start the season, it won't be for long.

    Jack ManleyJack ManleyAcum 23 Zile
  • The media crying wolf for the 8th times. Who would believe that

    mohd nor harismohd nor harisAcum 23 Zile
  • Get a new writer, you shouldn't have to use the word genuinely 20 times in a single video

    Keval ParmarKeval ParmarAcum 23 Zile
  • Still butthurt about their Autosport conclusions from 2019 testing

    SmashGhostSmashGhostAcum 23 Zile
  • Replace Bottas with Max

    please leaveplease leaveAcum 23 Zile
  • What woe? Toto just playing. His bonus for 2021 is linked to how much media is covering Mercedes ineptitude during testing.

    Michael AdhiMichael AdhiAcum 23 Zile
  • We just have to wait and see, won't we?

    TosaTosaAcum 23 Zile
  • 2019 testing Mercedes claimed they where half a second behind Ferrari. First race of the season they are .7 ahead. You don't find 1.2 seconds in a few weeks in F1. F1 isn't easy. They where sandbagging then, and they are quite likely to be sandbagging once again. And everyone keeps falling for the same trap, over and over again...

    SebastiaanSebastiaanAcum 23 Zile
    • Exactly right. Merc will spin up stories about finding a solution in the nick of time which is genius marketing. But the teams know it’s all bullshit. Conclusion? Mercedes sandbagged in 2019 and teams like Red Bull should assume a massively better Mercedes come Bahrain.

      Axel MoralesAxel MoralesAcum 22 Zile
  • At least, Mercedes made the pre-season testing interesting. Hopefully, this is not the most interesting thing in 2021.

    Chan XuChan XuAcum 23 Zile
  • Still trying to defend your 2019 blunder?

    Tarun NaskarTarun NaskarAcum 23 Zile
  • If you keep digging, you can make anything more complicated than it actually is. They keep saying " this season is different, we have a huge challenge this time, we are behind, they are faster.... " and such crap each and every season. Even if they did not show up at the testing, most of us would still debate that they will wrap it up before mid season break. They will have the better car, ham will have another walk in the park, easy season and you guys will bash about what an incredible driver ham is.. I will be watching the youngsters and hoping for wins and podiums for lando, gasly, seinz and so on..

    No Shit!No Shit!Acum 23 Zile
  • "Ferrari was easily battering us" My, I wonder what FUELED such a development...

    Franco ViejoFranco ViejoAcum 23 Zile
  • I remember remembering lewis said “(insert other team name) have a great car this year, so it might hard for us” a few years back

    Rizqi R MosmarthRizqi R MosmarthAcum 23 Zile
  • Trust the race to turn this into an explanation as to why they predicted Ferrari would be the team to beat in 2019. Instead of this year.

    LabGorillaLabGorillaAcum 23 Zile
  • is there an video to explaine the , fences? or the structures of what kinda looks like an old tv antenna hanging off parts of the cars in testing . im guessing mabe a tool to check aero/velocitys of an area on parts of the cars bodywork? if not id live to know more about ...

    michael haydenmichael haydenAcum 23 Zile
    • @TassieLorenzo thats pretty amazing tech. i can only imagine the things that the F1 teams are using . Pretty amazing! I wonder if the car manufactures sue anything simmilar to help develop the cars and trucks we drive daily? thank you for your responce to the question put up!!

      michael haydenmichael haydenAcum 22 Zile
    • Correct, it's an array of aero probes (high-frequency wind speed sensors: X, Y and Z components of velocity, from this they can calculate turbulence in each direction (which is the RMS of the instant velocity minus the mean velocity), frequency spectra of the velocity fluctuations (vortices & turbulence) etc).

      TassieLorenzoTassieLorenzoAcum 23 Zile
  • Honda for 2021 ...🔥

    Gju JumpsuitGju JumpsuitAcum 23 Zile
  • This same guy also claimed Ferrari had the best car in 2019!

    YEAH RIGHTYEAH RIGHTAcum 23 Zile
  • 2:18 "You hang up.... No YOU hang up!!! Silly."

    DaylightDigitalDaylightDigitalAcum 23 Zile
  • S-A-N-D-B-A-G-G-I-N-G

    Koshish DhakalKoshish DhakalAcum 23 Zile
  • I think Verstappen will win the first race.

    Shifty MaloneShifty MaloneAcum 23 Zile
  • Mercedes could have mastered the art of prank

    ChoopremoChoopremoAcum 23 Zile
  • Unpopular opinion, LH44 spin was on purpose so they could lift the car and other teams would take photos and waste time analysing the fake floor designs...😂😂😉

    John MusilaJohn MusilaAcum 23 Zile
    • Genius

      Matthew Van RensburgMatthew Van RensburgAcum 23 Zile
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